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posted by [personal profile] palfrey at 11:27pm on 28/03/2005
I've read a couple of bits of new SF in recent days (Singularity Sky by Charles Stross and Newton's Wake by Ken McLeod, both of which I would heavily recommend), both of which deal with post-singularity society. The Singularity, that little postulated future event appears to have finally come of age. Both books are interesting because they cover it in somewhat similar ways (this could be attributed to the fact that AFAIK there's a little Scottish writing group involving both of those two and Iain M. Banks going on, and incidentally a significant block of Newton's Wake is in Scots English), postulating a hands-off "ascended the heck away" singularity, with the remants of baseline humanity left with "don't fuck with causality" as either a semi-physical law or something that gets stomped on from a *very* high height.

This is all interesting, because there's been a number of bits of speculation regarding the end of hard SF, in that most writers of hard SF are the sorts of people who are liable to agree with the probability of a singularity event in our relatively near-term future (depending on whose scales), and who also don't particularly like to ignore something like that, but were previously puzzled with how to do normal storyline ideas in a post-scarcity world, without "deus ex machina" vastly overwhelming things. I'm also interested, because the previous way around this was ideas like Ventor Vinge's concept of zones of thought (with posthuman minds only being possible in certain regions of space), which always struck me as a vast and ugly hack. This new wave, which has managed to allow the singularity (or indeed several singularities, which is another interesting point) to happen while managing to allow people to still be people, is good, and I'm enjoying it thoroughly.

I think what's liable to happen in this area of fiction is likely to mirror the rapid progress of technology that's postulated to head towards the Singularity, with rapidly evolving generations of different ideas coming into play. Reading old SF, with it's obsessions with nuclear power has always been amusing, and I'm wondering how long before information age SF will be similarily amusing.
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posted by [identity profile] postrodent.livejournal.com at 02:17pm on 29/03/2005
Stross and Macleod are two of my favorite writers, and Singularity fiction delights me on a number of levels -- Puzzlebox is, unsurprisingly, largely an expression of that...
If you haven't read Macleod's "Fall Revolution" series, starting with _The Star Fraction_ and terminating with, I think, _The Cassini Division_, I recommend those as well -- there's a sort of weak Singularity in there. Although it's debatable whether it's truly Singularity fiction and the first half drags a bit, John Barnes' _Mother of Storms_ is another one worth reading.
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posted by [identity profile] palfrey.livejournal.com at 10:31pm on 29/03/2005
_The Cassini Division_ is the 3rd book, _The Sky Road_ finishes it. As you can guess, yes I've heard about them. _The Star Fraction_ is arguably one of my favourite books, and I've lost track of how many times I've read it. There is a singularity in there, but because of whatever "limit on intelligence" or whatever the other guesses are for why the Fast Folk end up in Jupiter, it's effectively contained. Well, up until the events of the _The Cassini Division_ but hey. I don't like that concept because I'd be willing to bet against the easy containment of something like that, and that *some* fragments would be separate. Heck, the first thing I'm doing upon uploading is backing myself up in various places, and making sure said backups are suitably autonomous to avoid the possibility of us being killed off by the removal of the current primary. There's also his "Engines of Light" series, which to be honest aren't as good, and the posthumans are a very minor subpoint. Not "realistic" enough for my tastes.

As for Charles Stross, I've read a lot of his online fiction (http://tevp.net/links/index.php3?top=355) before, and was a big fan of the "Lobsters" sequence, so when I spotted Singularity Sky in the bookshop it got grabbed and bought very rapidly.

I've considered joining Puzzlebox, but not until I can think of a good enough character, and quite frankly for the most part I'm not creative enough in a literary sense. One day maybe, when I figure out some way to have a whole bunch more free time that I'm not filling with other projects...

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