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posted by [personal profile] palfrey at 03:59pm on 10/03/2003
I finally got my copy of "Schild's Ladder" by Greg Bear today. It's very cool, very hard science sci-fi, my kinda thing.

It's also got a wonderful answer to one of the things asked of transhumanists every so often. Every so often, some deranged non-transhumanist tries to get a significant chunk of the transhumanist community (anything from a mailing list to the whole WTA) to promise not to start converting every bit of matter we can into "computronium" (rough element-like name for matter converted to be the most efficient computing substrate possible) the moment that this is possible. For various reasons, we're not going to promise this - everything from we probably wouldn't as it's morally objectionable, to we can promise anything *now* but this means nothing later....

The answer was "To which I can only reply: why haven't you indolent fleshers converted the entire galaxy into chocolate?". ROFLMAO. Unfortunately, I now need to try and explain this to ppl, as it won't make much sense to most ppl I know IRL......
Music:: Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - Cecilia
Mood:: 'amused' amused
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posted by [identity profile] raygungothic.livejournal.com at 01:13pm on 14/03/2003
"We probably wouldn't as it's morally objectionable"

Are you sure?

If the mass of, say, the solar system produces enough computronium to store and run a perfect simulation of the solar system and still do a whole lot more processing on top...

...thorny question.
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posted by [identity profile] palfrey.livejournal.com at 01:27pm on 14/03/2003
But even if this is possible, then there will probably be ppl who object to being converted from being carbon compounds to data... the important note about the whole thorny question is that of choice - a reasonable opinion is that those of us who choose to become posthuman should be allowed to, but not at the expense of the existence of any who wish to remain human (for whatever reason). Notably in a decent sim, they wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but doing it against their will still makes it wrong. There's plenty of other matter out there, we don't need to convert the Earth - we can leave that there.

Someone once had the idea of "human rights" potentially becoming a fuzzy cause (i.e. like RSPCA) for posthumans.... hmmm... free-range humans... :-)

Now all we've got to do is persuade the stupid fuckers not to try and legislate against all of this....
 

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posted by [identity profile] raygungothic.livejournal.com at 02:01pm on 14/03/2003
I suspect a lot of people could be persuaded. And those that couldn't... well, posthumans can probably wait :-)

(I should probably point out that I am not a transhumanist. Doesn't mean I don't think it contains some good goals)

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