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posted by [personal profile] palfrey at 08:36pm on 26/11/2005 under , ,
I wouldn't quite describe myself as addicted to caffeine (as I can currently get up in the morning without immediately requiring a cup of coffee), but it's getting there. Therefore, I occasionally start to consider alternatives to my current regime of fucking around with my neurochemistry. Now, I made a decision fairly on in my life regarding not taking any the various illegal recreational drugs (ironically, I'm the only one in my group of friends from back then who didn't smoke cannabis *ever*, and yet I'm the one who moves to the Netherlands....), which was initially for various "moral" reasons, and after I later got over those, mainly because I'd said I wouldn't. I'm now noting that there's another factor in there - the legal drugs get tested better. Hell, caffeine or alcohol aren't good for me by any long shot, but they've at least been fairly extensively tested in various experimental situations (as well as a considerable block of ad-hoc testing outside the lab), and so the side effects are reasonably well documented, and if I don't abuse the damn things too much I know I'm only at what I would regard as a level of acceptable risk. Now, if you start wandering into the illegal drugs, then we've not only got a whole world of not nice people (which I've seen enough of to know I want to stay the hell away from) but we've also got a wide variation in the product, and that's a problem. My daily cups of coffee are *reliably* evil....

Salon today had an article called "Life: The disorder", talking about people taking drugs for ADD and other "quasi-societal conditions" (their words). Mostly importantly, it started asking the question - Is it time to retire our moralistic distinction between "recreational" and "medical" drugs? The major drug they were focusing on is Ritalin, which is used mostly to stop ADD/ADHD kids from bouncing off the walls and let them keep focus on things for a bit. However, some enterprising folk (university students, medical residents, that sort of thing) have noted that the drug also has some good effects on "normal" people - they can sit and do work for long periods with less mental wandering about. So here's something interesting - it's a drug with good effects, available commercially (prescription-only at the moment) in a stable product, and it's been medically tested and so therefore there's a reasonable body of data regarding probable side-effects and chances of it killing you the first time you take it. Suddenly, they have my attention. Here's a drug that in the event I managed to get hold of some (unlikely, given I'm not planning on searching for it actively), I might actually be interested in taking a low dose (heck I can find out data on that from the manufacturer's website probably...) and finding out what it does to me.

I'm still waiting for a drug advertising "increased neuronal density!", but we're getting there.
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posted by [identity profile] greymaiden.livejournal.com at 08:45pm on 26/11/2005
Ironically, many students, by the time they get to college, feel oppressed by their medicated regime, by the fact that their entire lives are controlled by this medication they've been taking since they were in primary school and controls their behavior.

So they get to college and say "fuck this!" Fortunately for them, there's a market for that stuff, so they have the money to self-medicate with alcohol. . .
 
posted by [identity profile] baljemmett.livejournal.com at 11:45pm on 26/11/2005
Just as a side point, one of my father's pet peeves is caffeine addiction -- he recently became quite irritated at a storyline on Coronation Street on the subject. Apparently, caffeine is not actually addictive -- however, after prolonged exposure to it you get 'withdrawl symptoms' due to the body becoming overly sensitive to various biological bits-and-bobs that caffeine has increased your tolerance of. There's no physiological dependance on the stuff.

Yeah, this was news to me too!
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posted by [identity profile] palfrey.livejournal.com at 12:08am on 27/11/2005
Not news to me actually. One of it's effects is the widening of blood vessels in the brain. However, apparently after you've been drinking enough of it for long enough, the blood vessels actually shrink back to a width smaller than before you were drinking the coffee. Net result is that you get a "withdrawal headache" of sorts, and that drinking more coffee (hence widening the blood vessels) only brings you back to a pseudo-normal state rather than actually giving you any benefit.

Plus there's psychological vs. physiological addiction. You can get psychologically addicted to damn near *anything*, and the compulsion can be practically as strong as physiological effects.
 
posted by [identity profile] raspberrysalmon.livejournal.com at 01:28pm on 27/11/2005
we-ell...
thing is, according to my pharmacology book (yes, and wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_addiction#Physical_dependency), that's exactly the definition of physical dependency on a substance.
 
posted by [identity profile] raspberrysalmon.livejournal.com at 01:36pm on 27/11/2005
dependence, too.
 
posted by [identity profile] basepair.livejournal.com at 08:02am on 27/11/2005
I'm amused that you said this in reference to Ritalin: Suddenly, they have my attention.

I am a caffeine addict, and my mood does change for the worse if I have it significantly later in the day than usual - I didn't have any until 3 pm today, which made trying to seriously concentrate on anything beforehand a bit useless. I've been cutting back, though, and I've found I'm actually tired in the evenings and able to fall asleep (ignore that this is posted at 3:01 am, local time).
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posted by [identity profile] palfrey.livejournal.com at 12:24pm on 27/11/2005
I'm amused that you said this in reference to Ritalin: Suddenly, they have my attention.

Hah! I didn't notice that one at all. This is probably the effect of my usual "it's a weekend, let's try and drink less coffee to balance out the vast number of mugs drunk this week".
 
posted by [identity profile] raspberrysalmon.livejournal.com at 01:47pm on 27/11/2005
re: caffeine addiction... I'd like to quote my pharmacology book yet again (though obviously it won't be a direct quote, as that would have to be in German):
"Caffeine possesses characteristics of a substance leading to abuse: induction of tolerance, psychological and physical dependence [btw, the "careful theoretical distinction" is not really made in our books yet. plus, in german, both the "physical dependence" and "psychological addiction" are referred to as "Abhängigkeit"] with withdrawal symptoms as well as "reinforcement", i.e., the reinforcement of future intake through previous intake. [slightly confusing in German, too! ;)]
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But caffeine doesn't possess one characteristic of other substances leading to abuse: Provided that dosage is appropriate
[i.e., nowhere near the letal dose of 5 to 10 g - one cup of coffee contains about 100 mg!], it doesn't harm humans even by permanent use."

so, addictive, yes, but the addiction itself isn't bad for you. or something like that.

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